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#48
Re:Trail Braking (Front Brake) 3 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 4  
so i took a day off of work and decided why not get some practice in... i didnt try this on a track but i knew a couple of empty roads that i could work on this... its tough... i can get the front down... but feathering it just right where is stays down is quite a challenge... i guess i need alot more practice...

i usually have my friend come with me and follow to check my lines and etc... but he left to alabama... im trying to think if there is a better way to check if im doing it right or how much... and besides the feel of the centripetal force being different going through the turn... i cant think of anyway else to monitor and gauge this...
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#49
Re:Trail Braking (Front Brake) 3 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 0  
You should feel it more then see the difference. The best and safest way is to practice on the track and try this. Really lean the bike into a corner and start tapping the brake (Carefully) your gonna notice it carve more into the corner then if your just leaning.

Now your first instinct from racing is that if you let off the throttle in a corner the bike wants to stand up. It is quite opposite when braking, even tho the bike is slowing down braking allows the tire and suspension to compress and creates more sidewall patch which causes the bike to steer into the corner and not stand up.

The only way to gauge yourself is start paying attention to braking cones on the track, use these cones as guides to how soon your braking and use that braking to turn instead of slowing down then turning. Slowly start taking corners hotter(Braking late) just do it in moderation so you don't over shoot a corner. Play with the brake as your taking corners on the track get a feel for what it does when the bike is laid over.

Now the hotter you come into a corner the more brake pressure you apply to carve the bike, so FEATHERING is just another way of saying don't keep the same pressure applied once you commit to the corner even tho it still might be hard pressure.

Hope i didn't lose ya lol it can be confusing i didn't pick it up until i just started noticing myself doing it once i came into corners hotter.

Trail Braking is DEFINITELY not something you do on the street !!
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#50
Re:Trail Braking (Front Brake) 3 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 4  
i guess it confuses me because i have so many people telling me different styles of riding... and i need to filter out the bad ones... for example...

theres this...

then my friends tells me about using the rear like adam was talking about earlier and he was saying to me that it helps with preloading the suspension better in the corners...

and then there another friend telling me that they do their braking in the straight and then all the way off the gas using the motor to slow into the corner then once they were in they half way in twist the throttle and wide open by the end of the corner

option 3 already sounded sloppy from the get go so i never even bothered with that...
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#51
Re:Trail Braking (Front Brake) 3 Years, 6 Months ago Karma: 0  
I know numerous people who use the back brake, so don't count it out. I personally don't use it. Trail braking is something everyone uses at some point in your racing(Track) career, some people just don't realize they do it. It is a style and everyone rides differently.

When your riding super bikes there is always that groove you fall into once you get comfortable and things flow so smoothly under your own styles, so for someone to start telling you to do something different at first it is hard to pick up. Just takes a lot of practice, and eventually with experience you pick things up naturally.

Trial and Error Just make sure you keep the bike up on it's Rubber !!!

Next time your at a track day event ask a Riding official(Yellow/Orange vested riders) to follow you and work with you. Those guys are more then willing to help another person out on the track and they are very knowledgeable. Or if you know any racers ask them as well. People did this for me when i was first beginning and visually following someone helps out tremendously.
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Re:Trail Braking (Front Brake) 3 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 0  
Not to be the total noob here, but can this technique be applied to street / canyon riding?

If so what would be the major differences other than entering speeds?
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Re:Trail Braking (Front Brake) 3 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 0  
The one thing I would add, is it's of utmost importance when you start braking that you apply pressure SMOOTHLY. You can apply brakes MUCH harder if you smoothly squeeze than if you abruptly grab the brakes.
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